Saturday, June 04, 2011

Howard Dean says Palin could beat Obama. Is he mad?


(Ed. note: Richard and I both wrote about this this evening. So let's just combine our thoughts into a single post.)

MJWS

Once upon a time, Howard Dean was a major voice in the Democratic Party, a leading figure on the left. And it was hard not to admire his energy and his appeal as an anti-establishment progressive running a strong grassroots campaign. And it was hard not to admire what he stood for, which for many of us was genuine change we could believe in.

I supported Kerry from early on in the '04 process, but Dean was the one who got people, and especially young people, excited, who engaged them in a way that Obama did four years later -- on a smaller scale, but still, it was genuine.

I've come to question his instincts and political sense since then, and now, it would seem, he has lost his marbles:

Howard Dean, the former Democratic National Committee chairman who helped Democrats capture the White House in 2008, warns that Sarah Palin could defeat President Obama in 2012.

Dean says his fellow Democrats should beware of inside-the-Beltway conventional wisdom that Obama would crush Palin in a general-election contest next year.

"I think she could win," Dean told The Hill in an interview Friday. "She wouldn't be my first choice if I were a Republican but I think she could win."

Dean warns the sluggish economy could have more of a political impact than many Washington strategists and pundits assume.

"Any time you have a contest — particularly when unemployment is as high as it is — nobody gets a walkover," Dean said. "Whoever the Republicans nominate, including people like Sarah Palin, whom the inside-the-Beltway crowd dismisses — my view is if you get the nomination of a major party, you can win the presidency, I don't care what people write about you inside the Beltway," Dean said.

Okay, fine. You never know. And with unemployment high and the economy still struggling, a situation that could worsen by next year, perhaps any Republican would have a chance of beating Obama.

And Democrats do need to be concerned. It's hardly a given that Obama will win. What happened in NY-26 was instructive but not necessarily how the rest of the country will go next November, and it would be foolish to think that the Republicans are simply too crazy to win.

Crazier things have happened, after all, and it wouldn't take much to push a deeply divided electorate to the GOP column.

But Sarah Palin? Please.

This isn't just about how she is viewed by the Washington press corps or the punditocracy, it's about how she is viewed across the country, and what's clear is that her numbers are poor -- and have gotten markedly worse since her peak during the '08 campaign. She's nowhere close to being presidential, she crapped out as Alaska governor, and she's a right-wing extremist, and people know it. Sure, things might change were she to win the nomination and were the party to rally around her enthusiastically, which itself is unlikely given how so much of the Republican Party is opposed to her, but it's really a stretch to think that she could then beat Obama. The economy would have to be a truly horrible state.

But I suspect Dean isn't providing detached analysis here. He is touting her, in a way, because he has a certain fondness for insurgent anti-establishment figures, that is, for himself. No, no, no, I'm not saying that Palin is the Dean of the right or that Dean is the Palin of the left, but there are similarities there that are undeniable -- not intellectual, for Dean is very smart and she, well, isn't, but situational. He ran against the Democratic establishment from the left, while she may run against the Republican establishment from the right.

Again, he makes a fair point. Nothing is certain. Anything could happen. Given the right circumstances (or wrong, from our perspective), any Republican who managed to win the GOP nomination could beat Obama. It's just hard to see how that applies to Palin, who has an extremely low ceiling of potential support.

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RKB 

I have to say that Howard Dean is a clever one, suggesting that Democrats should be careful not to dismiss Sarah Palin too lightly as someone who could potentially beat Barack Obama in a general election.

He warns that a bad economy would greatly enhance any Republicans chances and that if Palin could secure the nomination, which he agrees would be hard for her do to, she could become president.

I don't know. I think Howard is having us on, or, more to the point, having conservative voters on by trying to get them to believe that Sarah could be for real. Democrats know how polarizing a figure she would be in the GOP nomination battle and how embarrassing she would be for Republicans in the general election. Having her in the race is good for Democrats and Dean knows that.

Maybe he's trying to push Palin to stop dicking around and actually jump in.

To be fair, it would be unwise to dismiss anyone, even Palin, especially given the volatility of the economy. But if I were to dismiss anyone, if I felt compelled, Sarah P. would be first on my list.

Maybe Dean is just trying to give Karl Rove a heart attack as pay back.

The one thing that Dean said that does make sense is that Jon Huntsman would be an ideal Republican candidate and one the Democrats really should fear, though his chances of getting the nomination are slim to none.

Final thought is that Dean, like so many others, points out that Bill Clinton came out of no where to win the nomination and presidency in 1992, but let's be serious. Whatever faults the man has, he has been one of the brightest and most natural politicians the country has ever seen. No way the current crop of GOP losers comes close to that level of skill and certainly not Palin. Not a chance.

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6 Comments:

  • You people really are blind aren't you?

    Dean is 100% correct here. Palin is the biggest threat to Obama out there. Ignore and dismiss her at your risk. If you think she would be easy to beat cross over and vote for her in the primaries. Put your vote where your mouth is.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:46 AM  

  • Perhaps Dean is indulging in a little fear mongering and trying to unify the fractious Democrats against a common enemy, but perhaps it's because I live in Florida, where the absurdest things are quite common that I won't rule out Palin as a possibility particularly if paired with a saner partner. Dan Quayle got elected.

    I was in a sporting goods shop yesterday and proudly was there displayed in a frame, a picture of President Obama in a turban, shining Sarah Palin's shoes. . .

    By Blogger Capt. Fogg, at 8:29 AM  

  • No way is Palin Obama's biggest threat. I'd say that's Huntsman, but Republicans are too extreme (and too stupid) to pick him.

    By Blogger Michael J.W. Stickings, at 4:00 PM  

  • President Palin sounds too horrible to contemplate but realistically how different is the map today from 2000? With unemployment over 9% and the blue collar sectors hurting Obama needs more than a "Morning in America" theme to appear credible.

    Dean has a good record reading the tea leaves and the abandonment of the 50 state strategy is likely to bite us.

    By Blogger surakmn, at 8:12 AM  

  • Huntsman would be a fine candidate for the Democrats in 2016. He is too competent and too sane to appeal to today's GOP base.

    By Blogger surakmn, at 8:15 AM  

  • I think this comment by Dean was off the cuff and not needing such serious analysis. If it had a point, it would be more directed at rallying the troops in the face of a "common enemy" as anyone with a liberal bone in their body doesn't know whether to laugh or cry at the pathetic but politically dangerous Palin, easily painted as a figure of fun as she may be.

    By Anonymous Hypnosis & Hypnotherapy Los Angeles, at 5:55 AM  

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